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Blossom Your Awesome Podcast Signs & Symbols From The Universe With Holly Porter

Holly Porter is an International speaker and creator of 11 startup companies.
Holly  stands as a beacon of resilience. She is a 13-time best-selling author, seasoned philanthropist, and true survivor, her remarkable journey includes a 70-day battle with COVID-19.

Emerging from this challenging experience with unwavering determination she joins to share her insights and about the lesson she gleaned from some out of body experiences during her illness.

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Transcript

Sue (00:00.862)
Hi there today on the show we have got Holly Porter here with us. I'm so honored and delighted to have you here Welcome to the show

Holly Porter (00:08.906)
Thank you, happy to be here.

Sue (00:11.47)
So happy to have you here and get into your remarkable story, Holly. So first touching on some of what you do. You are a wellness advocate, international speaker, 13-time bestselling author. You are the founder of the nonprofit Adventure Bucket Wish Foundation. I just love that. And you have a remarkable story. So give us this backstory.

with your journey and you're just, you're a survivor and it's amazing. So I'm going to let you take it from here.

Holly Porter (00:47.806)
Okay, well thank you and thanks for having me here. Yeah, I found myself, I was always a really, really healthy person and I found myself with COVID like so many of us. And that was 2021, like in the fall. And so I went to a conference and came back, not feeling well, thought I just had the flu. A couple of days later I tested and.

Found myself in the hospital after a week of fighting it. I just intuitively woke up and my husband, I came home and gave that to him as well. But we were staying in a fifth wheel waiting for our house to be closed that we were buying. And I just woke him up and said, I can't breathe. I felt like I had an elephant on my chest. Let's get to the ER. We didn't even think about calling an ambulance because we didn't wanna give it to anybody. We had already like isolated ourselves in there. People were bringing us food and leaving it.

on the steps so we get to the hospital and that began my first day of 70 in the hospital with COVID and while I was in there I was intubated two times given all the drugs. I'm a pretty natural healer type so I walked in on no drugs and by the time I walked out I was on a dozen. I'm now drug free by choice. And um.

There were so many things that I could share. You can ask what you wanna know, I'm an open book, but there were a lot of things that had happened in the hospital, a lot of spiritual things, a lot of out-of-body things. What would you like to know? And I'm happy to share.

Sue (02:32.428)
Yes. So talk to us about this, you know, let's start with the out-of-body thing, this, I mean, a real awakening in a sense that happened for you while you were in coma.

Holly Porter (02:46.758)
Yeah, funny you use that word because I've always wondered, have I ever had an awakening? And oh my gosh, that's so funny. I never like paralleled that till just now. So thanks for that. Well, I'd like to share a couple of things first. I didn't realize until after my journey and even a year later when I started looking into more near-death experiences. And I'm really glad that I didn't and I had that year because there was so much COVID fog going on in my brain.

It wasn't working very well and wasn't firing like it should be. And so I was happy that I didn't check those out because this is what I found out later. So there's out of body experiences, which would be OBE, and then there's near death experiences, NDE, and then there are spiritual transformational experiences. I'm not sure about you, but I didn't know there was a difference or that those other names existed. All I knew was about near death experiences.

I had all of them and it was super humbling, super challenging. I feel like the awakening was two things I was basically told to do was to start a nonprofit, which I did within three months after getting out of the ICU. And also I had a software company.

that I was working on just before I got sick and I was gonna partner with somebody and just the way got, the road got paved. Very clearly that was not the road I should go down and do it on your own. It's taken me a lot longer than I wanted it to. It's been two years in the making and we're just now getting that business ready. But within three months, I had launched the corporations for the nonprofit, which is the philanthropy piece.

to the other company. So yeah, that all came out of that. So the out of body experiences for me, I mean, this could be hours of a show just sharing lots of details, which we don't have time for. But those were for me, I never went in the future, I always went in the past. Like 200, no, 165 years, I verified it. 165 years approximately in the past.

Holly Porter (05:08.858)
is where I would go. And I spent a lot of time in this old pioneer town, about an hour and a half from where I live now, in a house that was actually my great, great grandfather's, that is now is actually a museum, ironically, and I just went there a few weeks ago, because I thought, I gotta go check this out. It was a little creepy, but they've remodeled it enough, but there was a staircase that was in this out of body experience a few times. That was a little eerie and that is still there.

So that anyway that those were out of body experiences. Any questions there?

Sue (05:47.758)
Yeah. Now, Holly, so you know, this is so interesting. So you had never been to this place, but you're literally in the hospital bed bound and you're going, visiting, having clear, like, visions. You're in the place and then you go there after you're better. And it's exactly as you had seen, but you had never really seen it before in a physical sense, other than your outer, out of experiences.

Holly Porter (06:09.586)
Right. Well, I did.

Years ago I did go to that house because you can tour it. Years ago, like 20 something years ago probably. And they've remodeled it since. So I did, I knew it was there. And I knew, I thought he was like my grandfather of some kind. So I had to verify all that later when I came home. I even have a book, you know, with all the history and things on it. I never saw him. It was just, I knew it was that home, but he was gone a lot from after doing the tour just a couple of weeks ago.

they kind of gave me a little bit more history. And so he didn't actually live in the house that much, but there was just, yeah, there was so many things that happened there. But the ironic thing when you said my sisters, cause my husband, I remember had COVID, so he was home. They only let me have one person in the hospital, thank heavens at that time. It had been long enough now, one person could come every 24 hours. And I have two twin sisters just younger than me and they took shifts. And then I had a daughter.

and then a couple other people came just a little bit to relieve them. But they were there all the time and they said, you never left this room. Like your surgeries were in this room, everything happened in this room. And I said, oh yes I did. I said, I went everywhere. The ironic thing for me was I took my bed and in our book we actually are naming one of the chapters, me and my bed. Because I took my bed with me everywhere I went.

And I think subconsciously, I knew that if I left my bed there and my body there and went these other places, maybe we wouldn't reunite, I don't know. That's kind of my theory. But my bed went with me everywhere I went. Even on the way to like my near death experience, ironically, for that reason too. But they said, no, you were always here. And I could remember picturing it like a Connix, you know, like a storage thing, crate.

Holly Porter (08:09.662)
that they ship, shipping container, whatever you call it, there's lots of words for it. It was like this truck would pull up to my room and hook it up to that, and my whole room would go with me. And I would go in these out of body experiences, but all that would come with me. It was just so strange. I'm sure there were some parts of what I experienced that were the drugs, no doubt. But you or nobody could convince me.

that it wasn't out of body stuff because there were just too many things that happened that just, they're not, they weren't nightmares, they weren't dreams. I mean, they were my truth.

Sue (08:53.896)
And then you have this deep insight to start this nonprofit. So can you talk us through that experience, that moment? Was it God? What was it telling you? How did that come about?

Holly Porter (09:08.862)
Yeah, so because I'm writing a book right now about a lot of this, the dates I've had to research, and Facebook posts that my sisters would put on there, I've had to kind of connect the dots. At what point did my near-death experience happen? And now I know, it was in between my first intubation and the second intubation, it was right in there. So really the first one, I guess, is when it happened.

But when I could talk about it was that 24 hours they took me off of the intubation and then 24 hours later they put me back on because I wasn't doing well. So I knew and I could tell my sister about it and that was that experience. But let me fast forward it, be able to answer your question. Later when I had my spiritual transformational experience is this all, all of these happened the first like 37 days.

in the first hospital, because then I was transferred to a second one. So all of these experiences happened the first one. And I, the spiritual one, there's a whole story behind it, but basically the gist of it was my mom, who passed on a year and a half before, she came to my right side, and a lot of people that are spiritual told me that were praying for me said, your mom was with you on your right side a lot. And it was just such confirmation for me to go, oh, I'm not really crazy, like other people's.

felt that too. And she came and said, you know, the cliche statement everybody says, that says they hear this was, it's not your time to go and you need to stay here. And she said, you need to fight. And when she said fight, then all these people in white came above me. I was in my bed and all these people were above me that had passed on and they were like my grandparents and.

I had a grandbaby that had just died six months before and my brother and his wife had passed away in a car wreck, my favorite aunt. Like these people that all were there, were all there and they started chanting fight. And as soon as they would say that and that love that was there and support that I felt behind them would be my kids and all my siblings. I mean, I'm in front of my family at nine, plus I have eight children. So like...

Holly Porter (11:29.842)
Lots of people started showing up and then my good friends. And then every time fight, was just rows and rows and rows of more people. Like if you were to look in a double mirror and just see back forever, it was like that. It was like the people just went as far as I could see. And there were people I didn't even know, which now I know, those were people, I was on so many prayer lists and things. Because I mean, people in my condition did not walk out of hospitals, rarely.

I bet less than 1% of people that went through what I did walked out of there. So I feel very blessed and I just feel like that's why I saw that because it was that moment when I knew I wasn't gonna die. Like before that it was like I prayed to die many days. It was awful. There was a time that I had lost all five senses. So I couldn't smell, I couldn't taste from COVID. They had my hands tied to the bed so that I wouldn't pull my ventilator out.

which I had no desire to do by the way. And then I couldn't touch anything and then I'm already legally blind. And if I didn't have my contacts or glasses on, which I didn't a lot of the time, everybody's in yellow, mask, head, you know, shirts. Everybody looked the same. So unless they were like about eight to 12 inches in front of my face, I couldn't see who anyone was. And then the ventilator took away 90% of my hearing for some reason, they didn't know why.

So it was like a Charlie Brown movie, that you hear the teacher when she goes, oh, oh. That's what everybody sounded like to me. So yeah, put me, I was mostly in an induced coma most that time. Prayed for that. Like it was like way better than not seeing, not hearing, not tasting, not smelling, not breathing. I mean, it was like, ah. So anyway, I feel blessed for my experiences. I really do because I feel like, I feel like there's more to it that I don't remember.

but I did a hypnosis session on it and basically was told, you'll remember when you're supposed to remember, when the time's right. And I believe that, I have faith that there's more to this story. But what I do remember, take action and do what you were asked to do because it was after that when the nonprofit was like, I always wanted a nonprofit. Excuse me. I still struggle with my voice if you can hear it.

Holly Porter (13:56.678)
I still don't have my voice back and I can't sing anymore, which is sad, but so bear with me. But it was like, you wanted a nonprofit, here it is. I always wanted, I never could land on anyone. I always felt like people would say, just go support somebody that's already doing something you have a passion for, but there's so many, there's so many good ones. But in my heart, I just always knew I was supposed to have my own, but I never knew what that looked like. I never could tell you.

and all these things I had done, I had 11 startup companies, like what is it that I'm really supposed to be passionate about and doing and the whole why cliche. And when I got out of the hospital, I was pretty dang clear. I felt like that was just like mapped out.

Sue (14:47.554)
Wow, and this is so you know the irony there like you say you had always kind of felt this deeper calling or what am I supposed to do and then you have these spiritual awakenings and then the clarity is just you're just like okay this is what I'm doing.

Holly Porter (15:02.61)
Yeah, and I don't know how much time we have left, but I've got a really cool story I'll share about the near-death experience, if that's okay. So remember I shared.

Sue (15:13.412)
Yes, yes, I would love to hear this.

Holly Porter (15:15.766)
Thank you. The pieces that were missing, I had a friend of mine who actually trained me in hypnosis, asked him if he would do a session on just the NDE. And so we did that and I was able to see some things that I just, there's just pieces missing of my story that I feel like if I'm writing the book, I need to have those in there. So what was really neat was the first thing I saw was this tree.

And when I started the software company, it's for retreats. It's a retreat software, which tree is in the word retreat. But when I saw the tree, it was like, oh, my heart was so happy because the logo is a tree. When we were creating the marketing and the branding for it last year, I just felt like it needed to be a tree, the logo, the favicon. And they came back with this tree and it had.

11 branches and 11 roots in it, which, you know, one, one is very significant if you know numerology. And I just didn't know why. So here I go in this hypnosis and he takes me back there and the tree's there. And I'm like, it was just confirmation that, oh, you knew it, you just didn't know it. But I'm opening it up to you to know now. And the tree like branched off and went.

Over here was the dark and over here on the left was the light, but I was stuck and I couldn't get to the light, which in my experience, my recollence of the experience was before that was all light, it was all light. So it was interesting that I was stuck in this and it wasn't dark dark, it was just kind of this like sapphire, I mean the colors are so hard to even say what they were because it's a color I've never seen, right? And they were swirling around.

And the other thing is they were swirling around and creating hearts and the hearts were pushing themselves up towards the light side of the left. When I got over to the light side, fast forwarding, the hearts were there and the matter was going around and pushing them up as well, but they were like a rose quartz color. And what was so significant about that for me was that when we did our first gala fundraiser for the nonprofit,

Holly Porter (17:39.682)
I had somebody make these little wood ornaments that said hope, and I knew, somehow I knew, every one of those had to have a little rose quartz heart in the back that we gave them to them. And when I saw that, it was just like, same thing as the tree, it was like, oh my gosh. I mean, there it is. I mean, it's just, it's so amazing how symbols can just like intertwine the stories that.

We don't have, I mean, we all have those answers, right? They're all there. It's just, I'm hoping, I'm excited for more to be revealed because I feel like, wow, I was really listening to my intuition by doing those two particular things. And look what happened.

Sue (18:27.246)
And you know, I love this part of your story because so often I have these conversations with people and like they don't Know how to identify signs and symbols from the universe, right? But for you, it's kind of like the more it happens the more you're looking for them The more you're expecting them and then obviously the more you're gonna recognize When those confirmations and signs and symbols come up

Holly Porter (18:51.998)
Yeah, we all have them and we all have intuition. And I hear stories from other people that say, oh, it just like intensified, I just knew all these things. But I had a crappy last two years of this healing journey that I had not just in the physical and the, you know, long COVID stuff of getting better, but you know, I had a lot of family trauma, things happen. Some things happen with grandkids.

and DCFS and horrible. And I thought, wow, I mean, there were many days the last couple of years even, I was like, why did God save me to put me through this hell? Excuse my French. It's like, wow, I saw where I could go. Why did I have to come back? And I do know why, I do, and this is it. Why did I have to go through this last two years of journey? There were some decisions that had to be made that I feel like...

God made for me so that I would, because I couldn't make them on my own so that I would continue to do what he saved me to do. That's, I guess, the gist of it all wrapped up.

Sue (20:06.486)
And you know what's so beautiful about your story Holly is that I can just sense like this overwhelming sense of peace almost and like calm and Stillness within you it's almost like there's a clearing and it all kind of makes sense now for you or something where it's so few of us have that

Holly Porter (20:06.923)
And if you...

Holly Porter (20:31.454)
Well, it's a journey. If you'd have saw me a year ago, you probably wouldn't have said that. I prayed every day to have peace because there were some rough times and so many people come out of near-death experiences and everything changes for them. And I was just like, I already felt like before I had the gift of knowing, people would always ask me, how do you know that? I don't know, I just know that. It's not like I'm psychic or I, I mean, I believe in whatever.

people wanna believe about themselves, right? That's their truth. And for me, it was just, I just knew that stuff. And so, I don't know, I think the ah-hahs for me are still to come. I think that having the hypnosis session was a door opener for sure. In fact, have we got time? I have one more, I can tell you.

Sue (21:22.806)
Yeah, no, absolutely. We have time.

Holly Porter (21:23.346)
I don't know what the other thing is. Okay, so one of the other things that when he took me back to this experience in the dark was this matter. And he said, we couldn't figure it out. It was just swirling around. He says, is it an entity? And you know, I always think of an entity as being evil, plus it wasn't in the dark, but it was in the in-between, is what I wanna call it. And so he said, put it in front of you. And in this hypnosis session, he actually had me be the entity.

And I wasn't afraid of any of it. It wasn't scary. And the entity he went, when you're hypnotized, you know what's going on. Like you can come out of it if you really want to, but my purpose was to figure this out. So no way, I was good. I was like kind of excited to figure out what I was gonna see in all this. So he came and asked the entity his name. And I'm thinking to myself, I remember the thought coming through my head was, am I gonna know the name? Like, wait.

That's me, I have to know my name, because I was the entity. And as soon as he said, I'm gonna come backwards from three to one, three to one, you're gonna tell me your name. Soon as he hit one, I just blurted out Darby. And I thought, was Darby my guide? Like, what's going on? Because he was in the dark, and I'm thinking, why was it in the dark? But come to find out, Darby just wanted my light, and that's why I was stuck in between, because he was just grabbing onto my light that I had.

because he can't go to the light and he's just stuck there. And so it wasn't that we were related or that he was a guide, but while I was him, the light was coming to get me. And he said that, he said, I'm not gonna be able to stop it, the light's coming to get her. And he says, well, can you just let her go? Just let her go to the light. And you know, and he said, yeah. And he didn't fight it at all. He knew it was gonna take her either way, take her meaning me.

Anyway, the ironic thing is I have a sister that has told me since then, this just happened like a month ago maybe, that I had this session and she told me that when she was little, don't you remember me telling mom that I was always talking to this guy named Darby? So there was like that came up and then just yesterday I was listening to Outwitting the Devil, Napoleon Hill, if you've ever listened to that. I had a whole other crazy story about that. It's another day.

Sue (23:46.442)
Oh, please.

Holly Porter (23:47.434)
but I was listening and they were talking about, you know, the book, Three Feet From Gold. Well, the guy that went to Three Feet From Gold and turned around, his name was Darby. And I am like going, so I'm exploring that right now because I'm thinking, I'm like, is there some connection? Like I have never even remembered the name Darby and now all of a sudden in a month, it has come up twice. Actually three times that my friend told me her.

the people that own the house that we used to hang out when I was in high school, and it was haunted by the way, their last name was Darby. And I'm like going, this is so weird. So there's obviously some kind of significance even though that hasn't been revealed yet. So.

Sue (24:34.462)
Wow. Oh my goodness. Now, let me ask you, Holly. So, you know, you gained some real insights and you came back with this purpose, right? You're like, okay, I got to go start this nonprofit. I want to help people. This is something I'm passionate about. It feels good. Did you gain some insights for us?

What is the meaning of it all? What is the point? What should we glean from it?

Holly Porter (25:07.938)
Oh, well, yes, okay. So basically the biggest lesson I had the last couple years was what was right there in front of me, all about the hearts. What are hearts about? Hearts are about love. And in the end of where I was, everybody was hugging. And I didn't see like this life review of people.

of all the bad things that have happened. I think it's because mentally at the time, I probably didn't need to, I was already suffering enough. Don't show that to me right now. Just show me the good stuff. And that's what I saw was the good stuff. And so really I think when people are not treating us how we think they should treat us, I think love them anyway. It just, so many people say that I know, but to see those hearts in the shadows.

their hearts and in the light there's hearts. There's love everywhere is what it says to me. And when they come together and we just learn to live in peace, it just will change everything. Lisa Dipper me.

Sue (26:22.51)
That's such a beautiful and powerful message. Now, talk to us about the work you're doing with the nonprofit. What has that done for your soul? I can only imagine it's so incredible to do this work and help other people.

Holly Porter (26:37.462)
Yeah, well, I know I'm supposed to be doing it. And so there's challenging days when I feel like so many people are resistant to it because nobody wants to hear the word COVID anymore. There's over 65 plus documented cases of long COVID. I mean, would you have had any idea? We will never, never run out of people that we can help and serve. And I think it's more than just serving them in ways that is the awareness.

Like people just don't know, the awareness isn't in their space. They're just like, oh, it's over. But there's so many, there's over 200 symptoms linked to long COVID. I personally had probably had at least 75 of them, but I was super sick. People that only had it like the flu and were sick for three days, they have long COVID. Like there's no rhyme or reason, nobody escapes. It's like, it doesn't matter male, female, age.

It has no mercy. And so I think if we can just bring back some of that hope and hopefully they'll find answers. The doctors don't wanna hear about it, most of them. They're so clueless. I haven't found one yet that really has been able to help me. I've had to learn how to help myself. I'm on lots of Facebook groups that help. I have lots of conversations with people. We just started a podcast ourselves called Hopeful Horizons to help.

just spread the message and we have stories of people with long COVID, we have medical, holistic people that will come on as guests, caretakers of people, but it's brought out so many auto-immunes for people. And I mean, like I said, I was perfectly healthy and I have quite a few life-threatening things if we wanna like classify them. I don't like to talk about them because I don't wanna be attached to them. I just say better's better and...

I'm getting better all the time and that's what matters.

Sue (28:40.551)
And now let me ask you, this is generally not a conversation I've had or I'm having, you know, and not wanting to get into politics or anything. But were you vaccinated? I'm just curious.

Holly Porter (28:51.786)
Sure, I don't mind answering that at all. At the time, no, well, never have I been. First of all, no, that's the main answer, but I wasn't against it. I probably am now, but I wasn't then because I just didn't know and I had an appointment to go get vaccinated when you had to do all that. And my gut, I would just be sick to my stomach. It was just like, don't do it. And so I chose not to and...

Later, fast forward, when I got my second diagnosis of one of my issues, my doctor said, I'm Provax, but he said, I'm so glad you didn't get it because you would be a mess. And I was a mess. I was like, a bigger mess than I am now? How is that possible? And he just said, there's a time and a place for everything. And so, like, I'm glad I listened to myself and all along the way, like.

There's probably plenty of times in my life when I haven't listened when I should have. And these incidences with my health, I've just really tried to be tuned in and like what's gonna work. I mean, I was so, there's so many miracles. I mean, one miracle, I never had insurance my whole life. Two months before I got sick, I got insurance and my bill was over a million dollars. So I can give you like so many miracles that happened and just my life's a miracle. Like the fact that I walked out of there.

My, yeah, one of my breathing tests I took, I asked the lady, why is there only two of us in the pulmonary rehab? Which I knew the other guy that was in there. And she turned around and looked me right in the eyes and said, because they don't live to need it. And I was just like, ah, you know, just broke my heart, but it humbled me too to realize, yeah, you're a walking miracle. This people in your situation don't come out of this. And so I don't wanna waste one day. Anyone I can help.

I can love on and serve, I'm going to, for sure.

Sue (30:50.83)
Wow, I love that. That's such a beautiful message. Now, you know, for people who are stuck and struggling, cause you have so many insights from your own experience and these awakenings, what is your advice to that person who's like just down and out and doesn't know a way out.

Holly Porter (31:11.082)
Well, tap into your intuition would be my number one answer for that because you have it, even if you don't think you do. And when you're down in the lowest of lows, think of all the things that have made you happy in your life and how many of those could you maybe focus on to bring you up every day? It's like a ladder every day. If you can just get up one more step, once you get to the top, you're back on top, right? And so I think it's just.

one day at a time, one step at a time, one prayer at a time if that's, you know, whoever you pray to and are. I think it's just like focusing on the good because it's so easy to focus on the crap because there's a lot more crap that seems like than good. So that's what I would do.

Sue (31:59.83)
Mm-hmm. I love that. That is a beautiful message. And now, you know, the wellness advocacy work you do, can you talk to us a little bit about that, how you got into that, why that's so important, and what do you, what you advise and encourage?

Holly Porter (32:16.358)
Well, one of the miracles for me was a DNA, we call it DNA candy nutrition. That was something that shifted me and my health like nothing else. I mean, I've always taken lots of supplements. I bought a hyperbaric when I first got out of the hospital. That was another miracle how I even got one. And I was grateful that I could, you know, and I still get in that about three or four times a week. And that really saved my lungs even though.

They classified me with pulmonary fibrosis, which is a terminal illness. I'm doing everything I can, because better is better, right? And so I think it's just being, putting that awareness out there, and we made the DNA, they're called DNA drops. We made those part of our nonprofit so that they can earn money, and it helps raise money while it's helping other people get better.

My pain, I'll take these in the morning, they're all natural. They have every kind of organic certification, beyond certified organic, that you can even think of. And I'll take the pain ones, for instance. And my pain's usually a four to seven all day long, and it keeps it to about a one to three. So if you have pain, and you're a four to seven, and you go to one to three, that's a win. And so they've been a miracle for me. So I've...

definitely advocated for them because I've been on them about, oh, about a year and four months now, just a game changer in my health. And I continue to just keep getting better. So it's just made all of that and the awareness. And I just, that's helped me so much.

Sue (34:00.59)
Mm-hmm. Oh, I love that, Holly. Now, okay, so a couple of things. First and foremost, I just love your story and I just love all of what you've shared and I'm so honored to have had this time with you. I feel like people are gonna really have some amazing insights from what you've shared here with us.

Holly Porter (34:23.381)
Thank you. I hope so. I could tell you lots more, but you know, there's only so much time in the day. He, he.

Sue (34:31.242)
Yeah, no, I know so for sure. It's just amazing because you're walking out here with so much more renewed hope and just kind of giving us this reminding us to really just be in gratitude at all times, you know, because life is so up and down and to see the signs and symbols that the universe is trying to give us now in closing if there were just one message your hope for everybody

What is that closing message you'd like to leave us with?

Holly Porter (35:09.438)
First thing that's coming to my mind is, treat everyone the way you want to be treated. I always was a big advocate of the golden rule, and I had a daycare growing up with my own kids and would always say, what's the golden rule? What's the golden rule? But if you really go research the platinum rule, which is do unto them as they want to be done to, it's not about you, it's about them. So I think I would challenge people, go look up the platinum rule and...

If you can live that or integrate that into your life, things should go way smoother for you.

Sue (35:50.706)
a beautiful closing message. You've been so wonderful, Holly. Thank you so much.

Holly Porter (35:57.162)
Thank you so much for having me. Appreciate you.

Sue (36:02.37)
Thank you. Oh, you're wonderful. Thank you. Wow.